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Holy Fucking Shit!
July 7th 2003, 23:21 CEST by Charles

New study finds out an amazing thing!  Gamers are actually normal people!

Some highlights:

College gamers are not necessarily male -- or anti-social hermits.


Often, he says, groups of students stop to watch the game.  "What we found is that it's a very social activity," Jones says.


"There's this stereotype of game slackers wasting time, goofing off, that really isn't valid," says Marcia Grabowecky, a Northwestern University psychologist who has studied visual perception in humans, including those who play computer and video games.


Okay, so yeah.  This isn't really news to any of us.  So why waste everyone's time with this topic, right?  Well, I figured since we are always talking about games, perhaps we could use this as a springboard to talk about other 'normal' things we do.  Think of it as a sort of 'Meet the Crappers' thread.  We all know about what games people here like, but what about other things?  You have kids?  Are you a kid?  What are you doing in school, or for a job?  Where do you live?  What are your hobbies?  

Might be an interesting change in pace, for once.
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#28 by Jibble
2003-07-08 00:05:22
I've also got a Journalism degree and seven years webmaster experience.  This apparently makes me unhirable and unsuited to any position known to man.

PANZERFAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUST
#29 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 00:06:11
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Things I do that aren't game related:

Reading, mostly sf and fantasy but also Carl Hiaassen and John Irving.
Playing ice hockey, and watching hockey, football, and college basketball.  I follow the NBA but can't stomach actually watching it.
Search and Rescue and Rope Rescue.  Mostly just training but we get called out a couple times a year.  A few months back we got to spend a Monday evening slogging through a swamp looking for someone who presumably committed suicide via exposure.  Good times.
Singing in the Unitarian church choir
Producing the church newsletter
Maintaining the Victoria Search and Rescue website and the member mailing lists
Wildlife photography
Doting on my cat, who is very loud
#30 by CheesyPoof
2003-07-08 00:06:50
No, I'm sure you're quite competent to drive a cab.
#31 by Squeaky
2003-07-08 00:07:51
#27 Your Friend
Economically speaking you might be better served studying something else, like fryalator operator or something.

Yeah, I'm currently in the process of thinking about registering at a real school. I have a pretty good job that pays well, so I don't really need to consider a career in the field of burger operations.

Great masturbating monkey gods, it's like watching the kettle rape the pot. -- Bailey
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#32 by Squeaky
2003-07-08 00:08:46
#30 CheesyPoof
No, I'm sure you're quite competent to drive a cab.

No no no, you need to be a qualified airline pilot to be able to do that.

Great masturbating monkey gods, it's like watching the kettle rape the pot. -- Bailey
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#33 by Jibble
2003-07-08 00:09:02
A Unitarian?

RUN!

PANZERFAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUST
#34 by Your Friend
2003-07-08 00:11:20
Your Friend is a Senior Software Engineer (read: code monkey) who lives in sunny San Diego and likes to rock climb (mainly indoor since making a trip to any worthwhile place like Joshua Tree is a bit of a pain), mountain bike and snowboard.  Your Friend also sometimes plays tennis (badly), inline skates, and occasionally likes to shoot some hoops.

Your Friend is 29 years old.

Your Friend also enjoys movies, reading good books and walks on the beach.

Your Friend has no kids, nor any plan of having kids.


Odd fact: Your Friend is 5% owner of a jewelry company that makes hip, contemporary necklaces, earrings, bracelets and such.

"Take Two needs to STFU imo." - G30rg3 Br0uzz4rd
#35 by Your Friend
2003-07-08 00:13:32

I have a pretty good job that pays well, so I don't really need to consider a career in the field of burger operations.


Just to be clear, I wasn't saying that I thought you were a good fit to be a burger flipper, just that such a job is probably a better prospect than being a computer generalist right now.

"Take Two needs to STFU imo." - G30rg3 Br0uzz4rd
#36 by Squeaky
2003-07-08 00:21:03
#35 Your Friend

I have a pretty good job that pays well, so I don't really need to consider a career in the field of burger operations.


Just to be clear, I wasn't saying that I thought you were a good fit to be a burger flipper, just that such a job is probably a better prospect than being a computer generalist right now.

I see.


The point of the program is to get the basics of computing down (including some programming in C/C++, Java, VB) and from there you go off to University and specialize. However, as you say, the computer job market is none to good right now. And I'm finding most of the classes to be excrutiatingly boring.

Great masturbating monkey gods, it's like watching the kettle rape the pot. -- Bailey
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#37 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 00:22:11
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Oh yeah, forgot the A/S/L.  I'm 28, male, and in Victoria.  I live alone ('cept for the kitty), no kids, planning a vasectomy for the fall, girlfriend of 8 years lives in Vancouver.
#38 by Your Friend
2003-07-08 00:32:29

The point of the program is to get the basics of computing down (including some programming in C/C++, Java, VB) and from there you go off to University and specialize. However, as you say, the computer job market is none to good right now. And I'm finding most of the classes to be excrutiatingly boring.


If they are really like your descriptions of them I'm sure I'd find them boring as well.  As Capt. Obvious likes to say, the weak point of education is you can only move as fast as the slowest person in the class, and there are some fuckin' slow people out there.  

But yeah it is a pretty pissy time for the computer industry and with the push to do lots of outsourcing to cut corporate costs it's unlikely to get better in the near future (unless you live in Bangalore, etc).

"Take Two needs to STFU imo." - G30rg3 Br0uzz4rd
#39 by bago
2003-07-08 00:32:36
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
Uhm, just skip the first year classes. I'm sure you can waive the pre-req's if you talk to the teacher. I was taking 200 level CS classes when I was 17.

Of course I didn't give a fig about getting a degree either.

As for the life of bago...

I'm an SDET at Microsoft in WinCE, I snowboard (had a seasons pass to stevens last year, snocrummy the year before), am an apprentice snob (cigars, liquor, music, food and wine), and party quite often. Going to go snowboarding in july and to burning man in august. Between this and the red-heads I barely have enough time to do my laundry, so my room is a mess.

I've been meaning to play xenosaga, but that would require 50 hours of time and a PS2. Must.... obsess!

#40 by Your Friend
2003-07-08 00:34:44
Burning Man is gay.

"Take Two needs to STFU imo." - G30rg3 Br0uzz4rd
#41 by Squeaky
2003-07-08 00:37:40
#39 bago
Uhm, just skip the first year classes. I'm sure you can waive the pre-req's if you talk to the teacher. I was taking 200 level CS classes when I was 17.

Unfortunately, in order to do that you have to get permission from both the instructor and dean, and then you have to write both the mid-term and final exam in four hours and get at least 80% on both of them. I'm not saying it's impossible, but the 100 level courses teach some pretty fucking obscure shit that has absolutely no relevance to anything whatsoever (such as model numbers of various punch-card based computers). Had I known that the program was like that, I would have gone straight to University and not have taken two years off between High School and College.

Great masturbating monkey gods, it's like watching the kettle rape the pot. -- Bailey
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#42 by Ergo
2003-07-08 00:37:51
36, male, married 5 years. No kids; unsure if we'll have any. Network admin at an electronic design automation company in Wilsonville, Oregon (about 16 miles south of Portland).  Graduated in 1988 from University of Oregon with a degree in film. Worked for Paramount Studios for two years before deciding to move back to Portland. Avid backpacker, hiker and fly fisherman and yes, movie buff.

#43 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 00:38:25
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
bago,

You're back and MS?  When did this happen?  Are you permanent?
#44 by ProStyle
2003-07-08 00:41:34
http://prostyle.deviantart.com
I live in Iowa so as you can imagine there really is nothing to do here. Games were a really great thing for me in my youth because they allowed me greater social contact with a more diverse and (generally) more mature audience than was the par for my elementary and junior high class rooms.

I didn't really know what I wanted to do in way of a life time career so I floated around for a while working for my dads small mail order company to make ends meet while I tried to figure something out before I graduated. I started taking welding courses at our community college about two years ago and that was a really great thing for me and something I kind of went through as a back up plan in case my other ventures fail. Fuck being on a production line for 8 hours a day with a MIG welding up shitty patio furniture though - I'd get into a millwrighting or something of that nature if I do go with this route.

I've always been interested in art and it's always been my main hobby next to gaming so I generally spend as much time sketching as possible. I like to draw out level designs, characters, or just whatever trips my trigger. Sometimes I'll paint a picture (acrylics rock, water colors are the devil) but I enjoy making things that are more solid and technical rather than airy and beautiful if you will. I designed and made alot of the furniture that's in my room right now and I've done a couple metal work projects for some businesses around here including a custom gaffers bench for a local hot glass shop.

Some day I plan on turning my artistic side and my technical side into a money making venture to remain relatively self employed. I'm going to be attending the Kansas City Art Institute in the fall because I fucked up by being incredibly stupid and bucking the whole highschool system for a cumulitive GPA of 2.5 (C). Had I a 4.0 I probably could have gotten a full ride anywhere my portfolio was sent to. Hindsight = 20/20

Currently I work for a concrete contractor doing manual labor in the hot summer. It's a decent job and I get to do alot of different tasks like disrupting daily traffic by erratically swerving around in a backhoe and spilling gravel everywhere or tearing out footings with a 90 pound compressed air jackhammer. I've learned alot from working there that I can apply to future things and it's definately been good exercise though so I can't really complain.

We work 10 hour days and generally have our friday off so untill the weekend hits I really don't have alot of time for anything. When I do have some free time I enjoy hanging around with my female counterpart or a couple of buddies and participating in extensives amounts of recreational chemical abuse.

I'm like a quote out of context...
#45 by bago
2003-07-08 01:03:48
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
YF, not that there's anything wrong with that...

Shadarr, yeah, started a new contract last week. Apparently there's still some fallout from the whole netdocs debacle that is preventing me from going blue again. It will be fun to completely show up those responsible.

#46 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 01:06:12
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I have no idea what you just said.  What is netdocs, and what was its debacle?  Also, what does "going blue" mean?  Anyway, congratulations.  Working at a tech company rocks.
#47 by yotsuya
2003-07-08 01:10:44
I just turned 30, I am male, and I have spent all 30 years in the Phoenix, Arizona, area.

Currently, I enjoy video editing. I have a wedding/event videography business on the side, and I have 4 kids. I love professional sports, I follow all my local teams, and I also follow Arizona State University (Class of 1996).

BTW, I've been gaming for over 20 years.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#48 by Squeaky
2003-07-08 01:14:07
#47 yotsuya
BTW, I've been gaming for over 20 years.

You've been gaming longer than I've been alive!

Great masturbating monkey gods, it's like watching the kettle rape the pot. -- Bailey
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#49 by yotsuya
2003-07-08 01:16:44
Probably. I bet most of you here over 30 have been doing the same thing. We got the Atari in 1980, so it has been 23 years, exactly. Sheeeee-it.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#50 by bago
2003-07-08 01:28:21
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
"Going blue" refers to joining the company as a full time employee. Stock, great benefits, etc. Full time employees have blue keycards. Contractors have orange keycards, and must take a 100 day break in service every year.

Netdocs was the dotcom microcosm within microsoft. Badly managed, hemmoraging money, vague undefinable goals and a strange momentum. The VP spent 4 million dollars on a name for the product that he didn't have legal rights to. The product itself, after 4 years of dev work, was in the end pretty much the same thing as MSN explorer, with a 60 meg memory footprint. The other product groups called the bluff, and the product was cancelled -- the VP fired. From there they went about being vague and had more project taken away from the team, and heads had to roll. I was naive so I didn't quite see everything disintegrating, and stayed in the dysfunctional sycophantic group as everyone with talent made a beeline for anywhere else. Shortly after, the axe fell and I was fired under the thinnest of pretenses. "I couldn't get with the technological direction the group was headed..."

See as how the group in the past 2 years has gotten taken off of the other 2 projects they had, their "direction" seems to be straight down. Ah well, it was a 9 month long paid vacation.

#51 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 01:30:36
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
My first gaming experience, other than at other people's houses and handheld sports games, was an Atari 7800.  But I grew up in a log cabin with no electricity.

PS I think I gave myself tendenitis playing Pole Position.
#52 by yotsuya
2003-07-08 01:33:10
I thought it came from the position you had on your pole.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#53 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 01:35:04
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Well then, it's extra cool that you're now working on a real project.  And enjoy watching the slow destruction of the Netdocs group.  There's no Freud like schadenfreude.
#54 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 01:35:37
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Yotsuya,

No, if that was the case it would've been my right hand.
#55 by Warren Marshall
2003-07-08 01:37:14
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Your Friend has no kids

Having kids would require having sex, so I think that one goes without saying.

#56 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-07-08 01:47:56
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Having kids would require having sex, so I think that one goes without saying.


Or at least a turkey baster.

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#57 by Matthew Gallant
2003-07-08 01:52:23
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
#55 Warren Marshall
Your Friend has no kids

Having kids would require having sex, so I think that one goes without saying.

I think it would have been more zingy if you had said "of course, because you are GAY" or something similar, but the virginity angle is workable. Are you skipping Algebra today? I am.

"Underdog theme sampled in WuTang's WuTang Clan Aint Nuthin To Fuck Wit"
#58 by Warren Marshall
2003-07-08 01:57:43
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
I think it would have been more zingy if you had said "of course, because you are GAY" or something similar, but the virginity angle is workable. Are you skipping Algebra today? I am.

Do you think Max Payne looks constipated?  It looks like he's eating a lemon!

#59 by Charles
2003-07-08 01:58:47
www.bluh.org
I suppose for a little background info, I'm 24 years old, living in Toronto.  Male.  Did two years of school in Vancouver before ending up in the games industry in summer of 99.  

So far I've lived pretty much across Canada.  Grew up in northern Alberta (Peace River if anyone has heard of it.  500km north of Edmonton), lived for two years in Vancouver, over two years in Edmonton, and I'm getting close to two years here in Toronto.  I'd move back to Vancouver given the chance however, definitely the best city of the three.

Whating the what?
#60 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-07-08 02:03:39
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Toronto sucks.

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#61 by LPMiller
2003-07-08 02:03:58
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
34 years old, married for 9 years this august, 1 kid, early planning stages for another. Currently a contract desktop tech, trying and failing to find permanent work as the market here for it is well and truly fucked. But the wife brings it in, so no worries.

I don't really do anything outside of gaming and reading. Well, I work on our 50 some year old house.  I'm lame. But I don't really desire anything other than being with my family and reading or gaming, so it's all good to me. I like long walks in the park as long as someone else is doing the walking.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#62 by Charles
2003-07-08 02:06:59
www.bluh.org
Toronto sucks.


It's no Vancouver, but I wouldn't go so far.  Edmonton sucks, Toronto is decent.

Whating the what?
#63 by Hieronymus
2003-07-08 02:08:15
I am 30 year old unmarried male currently residing in Toronto.  My hobbies include reading, movies (both high and low culture), cooking and cycling.  However, my present life revolves around the sisyphian task of completing my Ph.D. in physics.  

Hieronymus
#64 by Xero
2003-07-08 02:11:21
http://novakometa.blogspot.com/
Kyle Baker summing up some of the many things currently wrong with the comic book industry.

There was a recent issue of the new Batman comic by Jim Lee, Baker said. Its great stuff, but it was 22 pages of Batman hitting the Joker. A lot of that storyline seems to be that nothing happens except that a character shows up and Im supposed to be happy that the character shows up. I know Im supposed to be happy because its done as a reveal. A person opens the door and says, Its you! and then we turn the page to find out its Poison Ivy, and Im supposed to say, Wow! Poison Ivy! Excellent! and then she doesnt do anything.

In the issue with the Joker then, it was all flashbacks while he was beating on the Joker. Batman was like, Im hitting the Joker because I remember what he did to Batgirl! and then a flashback of the Joker shooting Batgirl. Then, Catwoman shows up and tells him he cant kill the Joker, but Batman says he can, because he killed Robin so now we have a flashback of that, and keeps hitting him, and knocks out Catwoman.

Then, theres a gun at the back of Batmans head, and this is the big reveal its held by Jim Gordon! He tells Batman not to kill the Joker, but Batman says he will because of what he did to.Gordons wife! And another flashback. Then Gordon tells him he really doesnt want to do this, and Batman agrees, and stops. So nothing really has happened in the entire issue. But then the big ending is that the real villain shows up and does the Ha ha! Im the real villain! from the shadows and flips a coin, so we know its Two Face. But again you need to have read a bunch of Batman comics to know that this is Two-Face just from the coin toss. And Im supposed to find this really satisfying, despite the fact that his name is Two-Face, but in the story, he isnt Two-Face. Hes one face. Hes not even himself.

While it may sound like Baker is bitter, hes really not. This book is selling, so I cant really criticize it, but it seems to me that fans really want a book where nothing much happens, except that you seem to hit all the past high notes, and repeat the continuity with big reveals.


Go back to Mars. Earth is too Dangerous.
#65 by Hieronymus
2003-07-08 02:13:59
I grew up in Vancouver.  While Toronto is sorely lacking in the great outdoors and the weather is terrible, it almost makes up for it with the large variety of cultural activities.  The worst place I've lived is Devon, Alberta.
#66 by BobJustBob
2003-07-08 02:15:11
I'm boycotting this thread.

Voices tell me I'm the shit.
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#67 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 02:16:55
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I'll be in Toronto the first week of August.  I'll be the guy at the Unitarian camp dressed up as Jesus wearing the t-shirt that says "Jesus may be cool, but Christians suck", if you want to drop by.
#68 by BabiG
2003-07-08 02:17:14
Some one mentioning Whistler and Blackcomb reminded me of this question, does anyone know the genesis of the Longhorn codename for the new Microsoft OS, why it's named that? Is there a Mt. Longhorn in the Washington area maybe? I thought it was just a coincidence that it shares a name with my university's mascot, but after seeing the logo in some of those alpha previews, it's way too similar (squint at my icon for an example of the school's logo, usually the colors are reversed). Is some bigwig at microsoft a UT alumni? The name seems so different from the other ones they've picked, I'm thinking there's got to be some other reason for it.

I don't wanna write this down, wanna tell you how I feel right now.
#69 by E-ph0nk
2003-07-08 02:19:40
http://www.electrophonk.be
i make music, organise party's, dj (party's & radio), and currently i'm writing a script for a small movie that i'm planning to direct myself.  I notice spending less time gaming lately - mostly because most things out there can't keep me busy for more then a week.

*sigh*
#70 by E-ph0nk
2003-07-08 02:20:55
http://www.electrophonk.be
oh, and i'm from Belgium - so i have an excuse...

*sigh*
#71 by Your Friend
2003-07-08 02:25:31
Supposedly, Longhorn is a bar near Whistler.

"Take Two needs to STFU imo." - G30rg3 Br0uzz4rd
#72 by Creole Ned
2003-07-08 02:35:03
I have lived in Vancouver for 17 years and have not climbed a single rock as a recreational outing.

I am 38 years old and currently work at a help desk providing technical support for things ranging from PC hardware to ISP's to wireless broadband at hotels. In high school I dreamed of being an actor and briefly pursued the goal. I was last on the stage in 1988 playing a character one review called a "human Bill the cat", which was actually pretty accurate. Much of my life has been unintentionally modeled after the king of "Ack, theft!"

I miss acting but not that starving part of it.

When not sitting in front of a computer at work or sitting in front of a computer at home, my hobbies are of the mundane variety: I read (and believe I am one of three people on the planet who looks for science fiction or fantasy novels that are not series but stories contained within a single volume), I write (plays, teleplays, a couple of unfinished novels, many short stories) and sometimes pretend I can play the guitar. In my secret life I am Robert Plant.

Also, I need new glasses and am the token gay most anywhere I go.

"I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
"i'm just pump gas." - Leslie Nassar
#73 by Darkseid-D
2003-07-08 02:35:55
rogerboal@hotmail.com
29, got married april this year (on my 29th birthday), moved to Chandler Az in march, been a professional for 8 years or so, been playing games for 20 some years.  Read far too much, dont watch much tv but watch movies avidly, played drums in several bands before I had to sell my kit pre move. Still waiting to get back to work, US gov is fucking around with my paperwork on several levels.

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#74 by Squeaky
2003-07-08 02:38:44
#71 Your Friend
Supposedly, Longhorn is a bar near Whistler.

So next question: Is some senoir manager from the Blackcomb/Whistler area?

And yes there is a bar called Longhorn in Whistler Village.

Great masturbating monkey gods, it's like watching the kettle rape the pot. -- Bailey
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#75 by jjohnsen
2003-07-08 02:39:38
http://www.johnsenclan.com
YF
Odd fact: Your Friend is 5% owner of a jewelry company that makes hip, contemporary necklaces, earrings, bracelets and such.

At least plug the company so those of us looking for birthday presents for the wife have somewhere new to look.

I'm 28 (29 on September 11th), married 5 years with one 3-year-old daughter.  I live in Utah about 15 minutes north of Salt Lake.  Right now I work at at a billboard printing/advertising creating/pop building company.  My wife just graduated from college so sooner or later I'll get back to school and decide what I want to do when I grow up.  With my free time I read alot and watch movies whenever I can.  I also run a wedding/video company with a friend that eventually will give me the equipment and money to work on a documentary I'm interested in doing.  I also spend Sundays at church teaching the 4-year-olds about God and how to blow the best bubbles with bubblicious.  

I'm Mormon, so I also have four wifes and don't drink.

Dancing Space Potatoes?  You Bet!
#76 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 02:40:58
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
got married april this year (on my 29th birthday)


That's incredibly clever.  I bet you'll never forget your anniversary!
#77 by jjohnsen
2003-07-08 02:42:53
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Oh yeah, I ski too.  Never been on mountain outside of Utah though, bago's description of the hills up there make me want to give it a shot.

Dancing Space Potatoes?  You Bet!
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