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Holy Fucking Shit!
July 7th 2003, 23:21 CEST by Charles

New study finds out an amazing thing!  Gamers are actually normal people!

Some highlights:

College gamers are not necessarily male -- or anti-social hermits.


Often, he says, groups of students stop to watch the game.  "What we found is that it's a very social activity," Jones says.


"There's this stereotype of game slackers wasting time, goofing off, that really isn't valid," says Marcia Grabowecky, a Northwestern University psychologist who has studied visual perception in humans, including those who play computer and video games.


Okay, so yeah.  This isn't really news to any of us.  So why waste everyone's time with this topic, right?  Well, I figured since we are always talking about games, perhaps we could use this as a springboard to talk about other 'normal' things we do.  Think of it as a sort of 'Meet the Crappers' thread.  We all know about what games people here like, but what about other things?  You have kids?  Are you a kid?  What are you doing in school, or for a job?  Where do you live?  What are your hobbies?  

Might be an interesting change in pace, for once.
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#4 by mrbloo
2003-07-07 23:24:07
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It's a funny topic coming from a game developer who also plays games.  Maybe you should start the ball rolling.

#5 by Ashiran
2003-07-07 23:26:05
I DON'T DO NORMAL THINGS! I PLAY DIABLO II ALL DAY AND LIVE IN MY PARENTS BASEMENT WITH MY RAT!

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#6 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-07-07 23:26:20
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When did game developers start playing games too?

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#7 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-07-07 23:26:56
erictcheng@hotmail.com
I DON'T DO NORMAL THINGS! I PLAY DIABLO II ALL DAY AND LIVE IN MY PARENTS BASEMENT WITH MY RAT!


Aren't basements in Dutchland called "pools"?

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#8 by Jibble
2003-07-07 23:27:15
Depends on what you think of as 'normal.'  White water rafting/canoeing and rock climbing aren't really 'normal' things people do on a day to day basis.

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#9 by Charles
2003-07-07 23:29:07
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Yeah, I realized shortly after I posted it that I'd have little to talk about, really.  If I cut games out of the mix, for the most part what I do is watch a lot of movies and drink a lot of beer with friends.  I've been debating lately on whether or not to get in to some kind of martial arts in my spare time.  I want to learn to beat people with wooden swords.  

I've realized lately that I've just been burning my life in the games industry, so I'm hoping to start adding other things in to the mix.  Four years of games, and I have little to show for it except for my name in credits.

Whating the what?
#10 by TheTrunkDr.
2003-07-07 23:29:34
I'd imagine for the sake of this argument 'normal' is anything not video game related.

It's a Steve Buscemi vibe.
#11 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-07-07 23:29:40
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Depends on what you think of as 'normal.'  White water rafting/canoeing and rock climbing aren't really 'normal' things people do on a day to day basis.


You don't live in Vancouver...

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#12 by LPMiller
2003-07-07 23:30:33
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
You think?

I believe I can fly......urk.
#13 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-07-07 23:30:57
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Yes I do. Thank you for asking.

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#14 by LPMiller
2003-07-07 23:31:59
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Not you, you skirt wearing bastard!

I believe I can fly......urk.
#15 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-07-07 23:33:37
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It's not a skirt! It's a kilt!

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#16 by Greg
2003-07-07 23:36:01
Keep telling yourself that. Except it will never come true.

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We are OK in a disabled veteran's way.
We are OK.
#17 by Jibble
2003-07-07 23:36:23
I guess the last time I had normal stuff going on was high school.  Boundary Waters rocks, by the way...I can thank Charles people for keeping the Canadian side clean, as opposed to the shitty American side.  These days it's mostly working and going to see movies...and hanging out with my girlfriend.

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#18 by Caryn
2003-07-07 23:36:46
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Since I like the topic so much, I'll start.

I tend to talk about my hobbies and my family a lot already, so you guys probably already know more about me than you want to.

When I'm not playing games, I'm either knitting (MattG says this topic is just a place for me to do my woolly proselytizing), playing my bass, or writing. Knitting especially is my thing to get me away from the computer and doing something that doesn't involve staring at a screen.

I also do some volunteer tutoring in a neighborhood about a mile from my place -- it's a tutoring center in an apartment complex in a neighborhood that used to have a lot of gang activity but is now just mainly run down economically.

SNIKT!
#19 by Jibble
2003-07-07 23:37:23
Charles' people...AKA the Canadians...damn that apostrophe.

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#20 by Jibble
2003-07-07 23:41:22
Oh yeah and I can play the clarinet and baritone saxophone, but all I have these days is a guitar that I struggle with.

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#21 by CheesyPoof
2003-07-07 23:43:55
Hobbies other than games?  I don't know if there are any.  Does sitting on my ass and watch TV count? I really don't know what I do anymore.  I play games, but not as much as I used to.  I swear, I get home from work and then before I know it, it's time for bed and I didn't do a damn thing.
#22 by LPMiller
2003-07-07 23:45:31
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
I guess the last time I had normal stuff going on was high school.  Boundary Waters rocks, by the way...I can thank Charles people for keeping the Canadian side clean, as opposed to the shitty American side.  These days it's mostly working and going to see movies...and hanging out with my girlfriend.


You are high. I've never seen the boundry waters as anything other than clean any of the times I've been there, on either side. It's one of the most protected areas in the entire country.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#23 by TheTrunkDr.
2003-07-07 23:46:02
Good thing this study didn't use the planetcrap users as it's test group! seems most of us lean towards the more anti-social activities.

It's a Steve Buscemi vibe.
#24 by Jibble
2003-07-07 23:49:04
LPMiller: I was up there twice...got dropped off in a puddle jumper deep on the Canadian side and paddled/portaged through 70 miles of the outback...you can drink the water on the Canadian side right from the lakes and not worry much about it because it's literally pristine...As far as the U.S. side, I wasn't so trusting...purified everything because it wasn't quite so clear.

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#25 by Squeaky
2003-07-07 23:53:48
Aside from gaming?

I regularly go mountain biking. Living up in the woods provides many kick ass technical trails to go riding on.

In the winter time I stop riding and go skiing. I used to ski Whistler/Blackcomb all the time, but it's too damned expensive and way too crowded. And with the Olympics coming this way, prices are going to skyrocket. I try to make it to Sun Peaks as often as I can. There's also the local mountains (mainly Cypress).

I used to do a lot of P&P roleplaying. AD&D for a while, but my DM go so fed up with the stupid rules (fuckin' THAC0) that he devised his own percentile dice-based system, which kicks much ass. Battletech is another favorite, although we haven't played it in a while as we've been playing quite a bit of MechWarrior: Dark Age.

Speaking of Dark Age, Mage Knight and its offspring is also a big thing with me. Dungeons, Hero Clix, MechWarrior, and now Shadowrun.

In addition to all that and a semi-full time job (it's technically part-time but I usually end up getting 30-40 hours a week anyway), I also study Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu. I've been involved with the art for almost three years now. I just got back from England for a three day training event in Manchester. While there we got the opportunity to train with various dojo's within the UK before heading up to Manchester for the festival. I'm planning a trip to train in Japan sometime within a year (maybe two).

As for school? I'm currently studying Computer Information Systems. It's the largest waste of time ever. It generally involves learning such complicated tasks as using the mouse, figuring out how to save to floppy disks. And if you stick with it untill the fourth semester, you get to learn to use keyboard shortcuts!

That's about it.

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#26 by Jibble
2003-07-07 23:58:56
Ahh, skiing...that's another one I love.  Did Red River this year, great powder and really not crowded at all considering it was Spring Break.  I also like long walks on the beach.

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#27 by Your Friend
2003-07-07 23:59:30

As for school? I'm currently studying Computer Information Systems. It's the largest waste of time ever. It generally involves learning such complicated tasks as using the mouse, figuring out how to save to floppy disks. And if you stick with it untill the fourth semester, you get to learn to use keyboard shortcuts!


Economically speaking you might be better served studying something else, like fryalator operator or something.

"Take Two needs to STFU imo." - G30rg3 Br0uzz4rd
#28 by Jibble
2003-07-08 00:05:22
I've also got a Journalism degree and seven years webmaster experience.  This apparently makes me unhirable and unsuited to any position known to man.

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#29 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 00:06:11
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Things I do that aren't game related:

Reading, mostly sf and fantasy but also Carl Hiaassen and John Irving.
Playing ice hockey, and watching hockey, football, and college basketball.  I follow the NBA but can't stomach actually watching it.
Search and Rescue and Rope Rescue.  Mostly just training but we get called out a couple times a year.  A few months back we got to spend a Monday evening slogging through a swamp looking for someone who presumably committed suicide via exposure.  Good times.
Singing in the Unitarian church choir
Producing the church newsletter
Maintaining the Victoria Search and Rescue website and the member mailing lists
Wildlife photography
Doting on my cat, who is very loud
#30 by CheesyPoof
2003-07-08 00:06:50
No, I'm sure you're quite competent to drive a cab.
#31 by Squeaky
2003-07-08 00:07:51
#27 Your Friend
Economically speaking you might be better served studying something else, like fryalator operator or something.

Yeah, I'm currently in the process of thinking about registering at a real school. I have a pretty good job that pays well, so I don't really need to consider a career in the field of burger operations.

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#32 by Squeaky
2003-07-08 00:08:46
#30 CheesyPoof
No, I'm sure you're quite competent to drive a cab.

No no no, you need to be a qualified airline pilot to be able to do that.

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#33 by Jibble
2003-07-08 00:09:02
A Unitarian?

RUN!

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#34 by Your Friend
2003-07-08 00:11:20
Your Friend is a Senior Software Engineer (read: code monkey) who lives in sunny San Diego and likes to rock climb (mainly indoor since making a trip to any worthwhile place like Joshua Tree is a bit of a pain), mountain bike and snowboard.  Your Friend also sometimes plays tennis (badly), inline skates, and occasionally likes to shoot some hoops.

Your Friend is 29 years old.

Your Friend also enjoys movies, reading good books and walks on the beach.

Your Friend has no kids, nor any plan of having kids.


Odd fact: Your Friend is 5% owner of a jewelry company that makes hip, contemporary necklaces, earrings, bracelets and such.

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#35 by Your Friend
2003-07-08 00:13:32

I have a pretty good job that pays well, so I don't really need to consider a career in the field of burger operations.


Just to be clear, I wasn't saying that I thought you were a good fit to be a burger flipper, just that such a job is probably a better prospect than being a computer generalist right now.

"Take Two needs to STFU imo." - G30rg3 Br0uzz4rd
#36 by Squeaky
2003-07-08 00:21:03
#35 Your Friend

I have a pretty good job that pays well, so I don't really need to consider a career in the field of burger operations.


Just to be clear, I wasn't saying that I thought you were a good fit to be a burger flipper, just that such a job is probably a better prospect than being a computer generalist right now.

I see.


The point of the program is to get the basics of computing down (including some programming in C/C++, Java, VB) and from there you go off to University and specialize. However, as you say, the computer job market is none to good right now. And I'm finding most of the classes to be excrutiatingly boring.

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#37 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 00:22:11
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Oh yeah, forgot the A/S/L.  I'm 28, male, and in Victoria.  I live alone ('cept for the kitty), no kids, planning a vasectomy for the fall, girlfriend of 8 years lives in Vancouver.
#38 by Your Friend
2003-07-08 00:32:29

The point of the program is to get the basics of computing down (including some programming in C/C++, Java, VB) and from there you go off to University and specialize. However, as you say, the computer job market is none to good right now. And I'm finding most of the classes to be excrutiatingly boring.


If they are really like your descriptions of them I'm sure I'd find them boring as well.  As Capt. Obvious likes to say, the weak point of education is you can only move as fast as the slowest person in the class, and there are some fuckin' slow people out there.  

But yeah it is a pretty pissy time for the computer industry and with the push to do lots of outsourcing to cut corporate costs it's unlikely to get better in the near future (unless you live in Bangalore, etc).

"Take Two needs to STFU imo." - G30rg3 Br0uzz4rd
#39 by bago
2003-07-08 00:32:36
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Uhm, just skip the first year classes. I'm sure you can waive the pre-req's if you talk to the teacher. I was taking 200 level CS classes when I was 17.

Of course I didn't give a fig about getting a degree either.

As for the life of bago...

I'm an SDET at Microsoft in WinCE, I snowboard (had a seasons pass to stevens last year, snocrummy the year before), am an apprentice snob (cigars, liquor, music, food and wine), and party quite often. Going to go snowboarding in july and to burning man in august. Between this and the red-heads I barely have enough time to do my laundry, so my room is a mess.

I've been meaning to play xenosaga, but that would require 50 hours of time and a PS2. Must.... obsess!

#40 by Your Friend
2003-07-08 00:34:44
Burning Man is gay.

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#41 by Squeaky
2003-07-08 00:37:40
#39 bago
Uhm, just skip the first year classes. I'm sure you can waive the pre-req's if you talk to the teacher. I was taking 200 level CS classes when I was 17.

Unfortunately, in order to do that you have to get permission from both the instructor and dean, and then you have to write both the mid-term and final exam in four hours and get at least 80% on both of them. I'm not saying it's impossible, but the 100 level courses teach some pretty fucking obscure shit that has absolutely no relevance to anything whatsoever (such as model numbers of various punch-card based computers). Had I known that the program was like that, I would have gone straight to University and not have taken two years off between High School and College.

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#42 by Ergo
2003-07-08 00:37:51
36, male, married 5 years. No kids; unsure if we'll have any. Network admin at an electronic design automation company in Wilsonville, Oregon (about 16 miles south of Portland).  Graduated in 1988 from University of Oregon with a degree in film. Worked for Paramount Studios for two years before deciding to move back to Portland. Avid backpacker, hiker and fly fisherman and yes, movie buff.

#43 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 00:38:25
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
bago,

You're back and MS?  When did this happen?  Are you permanent?
#44 by ProStyle
2003-07-08 00:41:34
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I live in Iowa so as you can imagine there really is nothing to do here. Games were a really great thing for me in my youth because they allowed me greater social contact with a more diverse and (generally) more mature audience than was the par for my elementary and junior high class rooms.

I didn't really know what I wanted to do in way of a life time career so I floated around for a while working for my dads small mail order company to make ends meet while I tried to figure something out before I graduated. I started taking welding courses at our community college about two years ago and that was a really great thing for me and something I kind of went through as a back up plan in case my other ventures fail. Fuck being on a production line for 8 hours a day with a MIG welding up shitty patio furniture though - I'd get into a millwrighting or something of that nature if I do go with this route.

I've always been interested in art and it's always been my main hobby next to gaming so I generally spend as much time sketching as possible. I like to draw out level designs, characters, or just whatever trips my trigger. Sometimes I'll paint a picture (acrylics rock, water colors are the devil) but I enjoy making things that are more solid and technical rather than airy and beautiful if you will. I designed and made alot of the furniture that's in my room right now and I've done a couple metal work projects for some businesses around here including a custom gaffers bench for a local hot glass shop.

Some day I plan on turning my artistic side and my technical side into a money making venture to remain relatively self employed. I'm going to be attending the Kansas City Art Institute in the fall because I fucked up by being incredibly stupid and bucking the whole highschool system for a cumulitive GPA of 2.5 (C). Had I a 4.0 I probably could have gotten a full ride anywhere my portfolio was sent to. Hindsight = 20/20

Currently I work for a concrete contractor doing manual labor in the hot summer. It's a decent job and I get to do alot of different tasks like disrupting daily traffic by erratically swerving around in a backhoe and spilling gravel everywhere or tearing out footings with a 90 pound compressed air jackhammer. I've learned alot from working there that I can apply to future things and it's definately been good exercise though so I can't really complain.

We work 10 hour days and generally have our friday off so untill the weekend hits I really don't have alot of time for anything. When I do have some free time I enjoy hanging around with my female counterpart or a couple of buddies and participating in extensives amounts of recreational chemical abuse.

I'm like a quote out of context...
#45 by bago
2003-07-08 01:03:48
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
YF, not that there's anything wrong with that...

Shadarr, yeah, started a new contract last week. Apparently there's still some fallout from the whole netdocs debacle that is preventing me from going blue again. It will be fun to completely show up those responsible.

#46 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 01:06:12
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I have no idea what you just said.  What is netdocs, and what was its debacle?  Also, what does "going blue" mean?  Anyway, congratulations.  Working at a tech company rocks.
#47 by yotsuya
2003-07-08 01:10:44
I just turned 30, I am male, and I have spent all 30 years in the Phoenix, Arizona, area.

Currently, I enjoy video editing. I have a wedding/event videography business on the side, and I have 4 kids. I love professional sports, I follow all my local teams, and I also follow Arizona State University (Class of 1996).

BTW, I've been gaming for over 20 years.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#48 by Squeaky
2003-07-08 01:14:07
#47 yotsuya
BTW, I've been gaming for over 20 years.

You've been gaming longer than I've been alive!

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#49 by yotsuya
2003-07-08 01:16:44
Probably. I bet most of you here over 30 have been doing the same thing. We got the Atari in 1980, so it has been 23 years, exactly. Sheeeee-it.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#50 by bago
2003-07-08 01:28:21
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"Going blue" refers to joining the company as a full time employee. Stock, great benefits, etc. Full time employees have blue keycards. Contractors have orange keycards, and must take a 100 day break in service every year.

Netdocs was the dotcom microcosm within microsoft. Badly managed, hemmoraging money, vague undefinable goals and a strange momentum. The VP spent 4 million dollars on a name for the product that he didn't have legal rights to. The product itself, after 4 years of dev work, was in the end pretty much the same thing as MSN explorer, with a 60 meg memory footprint. The other product groups called the bluff, and the product was cancelled -- the VP fired. From there they went about being vague and had more project taken away from the team, and heads had to roll. I was naive so I didn't quite see everything disintegrating, and stayed in the dysfunctional sycophantic group as everyone with talent made a beeline for anywhere else. Shortly after, the axe fell and I was fired under the thinnest of pretenses. "I couldn't get with the technological direction the group was headed..."

See as how the group in the past 2 years has gotten taken off of the other 2 projects they had, their "direction" seems to be straight down. Ah well, it was a 9 month long paid vacation.

#51 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 01:30:36
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
My first gaming experience, other than at other people's houses and handheld sports games, was an Atari 7800.  But I grew up in a log cabin with no electricity.

PS I think I gave myself tendenitis playing Pole Position.
#52 by yotsuya
2003-07-08 01:33:10
I thought it came from the position you had on your pole.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#53 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 01:35:04
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Well then, it's extra cool that you're now working on a real project.  And enjoy watching the slow destruction of the Netdocs group.  There's no Freud like schadenfreude.
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