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Holy Fucking Shit!
July 7th 2003, 23:21 CEST by Charles

New study finds out an amazing thing!  Gamers are actually normal people!

Some highlights:

College gamers are not necessarily male -- or anti-social hermits.


Often, he says, groups of students stop to watch the game.  "What we found is that it's a very social activity," Jones says.


"There's this stereotype of game slackers wasting time, goofing off, that really isn't valid," says Marcia Grabowecky, a Northwestern University psychologist who has studied visual perception in humans, including those who play computer and video games.


Okay, so yeah.  This isn't really news to any of us.  So why waste everyone's time with this topic, right?  Well, I figured since we are always talking about games, perhaps we could use this as a springboard to talk about other 'normal' things we do.  Think of it as a sort of 'Meet the Crappers' thread.  We all know about what games people here like, but what about other things?  You have kids?  Are you a kid?  What are you doing in school, or for a job?  Where do you live?  What are your hobbies?  

Might be an interesting change in pace, for once.
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#45 by bago
2003-07-08 01:03:48
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
YF, not that there's anything wrong with that...

Shadarr, yeah, started a new contract last week. Apparently there's still some fallout from the whole netdocs debacle that is preventing me from going blue again. It will be fun to completely show up those responsible.

#46 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 01:06:12
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I have no idea what you just said.  What is netdocs, and what was its debacle?  Also, what does "going blue" mean?  Anyway, congratulations.  Working at a tech company rocks.
#47 by yotsuya
2003-07-08 01:10:44
I just turned 30, I am male, and I have spent all 30 years in the Phoenix, Arizona, area.

Currently, I enjoy video editing. I have a wedding/event videography business on the side, and I have 4 kids. I love professional sports, I follow all my local teams, and I also follow Arizona State University (Class of 1996).

BTW, I've been gaming for over 20 years.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#48 by Squeaky
2003-07-08 01:14:07
#47 yotsuya
BTW, I've been gaming for over 20 years.

You've been gaming longer than I've been alive!

Great masturbating monkey gods, it's like watching the kettle rape the pot. -- Bailey
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#49 by yotsuya
2003-07-08 01:16:44
Probably. I bet most of you here over 30 have been doing the same thing. We got the Atari in 1980, so it has been 23 years, exactly. Sheeeee-it.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#50 by bago
2003-07-08 01:28:21
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
"Going blue" refers to joining the company as a full time employee. Stock, great benefits, etc. Full time employees have blue keycards. Contractors have orange keycards, and must take a 100 day break in service every year.

Netdocs was the dotcom microcosm within microsoft. Badly managed, hemmoraging money, vague undefinable goals and a strange momentum. The VP spent 4 million dollars on a name for the product that he didn't have legal rights to. The product itself, after 4 years of dev work, was in the end pretty much the same thing as MSN explorer, with a 60 meg memory footprint. The other product groups called the bluff, and the product was cancelled -- the VP fired. From there they went about being vague and had more project taken away from the team, and heads had to roll. I was naive so I didn't quite see everything disintegrating, and stayed in the dysfunctional sycophantic group as everyone with talent made a beeline for anywhere else. Shortly after, the axe fell and I was fired under the thinnest of pretenses. "I couldn't get with the technological direction the group was headed..."

See as how the group in the past 2 years has gotten taken off of the other 2 projects they had, their "direction" seems to be straight down. Ah well, it was a 9 month long paid vacation.

#51 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 01:30:36
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
My first gaming experience, other than at other people's houses and handheld sports games, was an Atari 7800.  But I grew up in a log cabin with no electricity.

PS I think I gave myself tendenitis playing Pole Position.
#52 by yotsuya
2003-07-08 01:33:10
I thought it came from the position you had on your pole.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#53 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 01:35:04
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Well then, it's extra cool that you're now working on a real project.  And enjoy watching the slow destruction of the Netdocs group.  There's no Freud like schadenfreude.
#54 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 01:35:37
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Yotsuya,

No, if that was the case it would've been my right hand.
#55 by Warren Marshall
2003-07-08 01:37:14
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Your Friend has no kids

Having kids would require having sex, so I think that one goes without saying.

#56 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-07-08 01:47:56
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Having kids would require having sex, so I think that one goes without saying.


Or at least a turkey baster.

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#57 by Matthew Gallant
2003-07-08 01:52:23
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
#55 Warren Marshall
Your Friend has no kids

Having kids would require having sex, so I think that one goes without saying.

I think it would have been more zingy if you had said "of course, because you are GAY" or something similar, but the virginity angle is workable. Are you skipping Algebra today? I am.

"Underdog theme sampled in WuTang's WuTang Clan Aint Nuthin To Fuck Wit"
#58 by Warren Marshall
2003-07-08 01:57:43
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
I think it would have been more zingy if you had said "of course, because you are GAY" or something similar, but the virginity angle is workable. Are you skipping Algebra today? I am.

Do you think Max Payne looks constipated?  It looks like he's eating a lemon!

#59 by Charles
2003-07-08 01:58:47
www.bluh.org
I suppose for a little background info, I'm 24 years old, living in Toronto.  Male.  Did two years of school in Vancouver before ending up in the games industry in summer of 99.  

So far I've lived pretty much across Canada.  Grew up in northern Alberta (Peace River if anyone has heard of it.  500km north of Edmonton), lived for two years in Vancouver, over two years in Edmonton, and I'm getting close to two years here in Toronto.  I'd move back to Vancouver given the chance however, definitely the best city of the three.

Whating the what?
#60 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-07-08 02:03:39
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Toronto sucks.

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#61 by LPMiller
2003-07-08 02:03:58
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
34 years old, married for 9 years this august, 1 kid, early planning stages for another. Currently a contract desktop tech, trying and failing to find permanent work as the market here for it is well and truly fucked. But the wife brings it in, so no worries.

I don't really do anything outside of gaming and reading. Well, I work on our 50 some year old house.  I'm lame. But I don't really desire anything other than being with my family and reading or gaming, so it's all good to me. I like long walks in the park as long as someone else is doing the walking.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#62 by Charles
2003-07-08 02:06:59
www.bluh.org
Toronto sucks.


It's no Vancouver, but I wouldn't go so far.  Edmonton sucks, Toronto is decent.

Whating the what?
#63 by Hieronymus
2003-07-08 02:08:15
I am 30 year old unmarried male currently residing in Toronto.  My hobbies include reading, movies (both high and low culture), cooking and cycling.  However, my present life revolves around the sisyphian task of completing my Ph.D. in physics.  

Hieronymus
#64 by Xero
2003-07-08 02:11:21
http://novakometa.blogspot.com/
Kyle Baker summing up some of the many things currently wrong with the comic book industry.

“There was a recent issue of the new Batman comic by Jim Lee,” Baker said. “It’s great stuff, but it was 22 pages of Batman hitting the Joker. A lot of that storyline seems to be that nothing happens except that a character shows up and I’m supposed to be happy that the character shows up. I know I’m supposed to be happy because it’s done as a reveal. A person opens the door and says, ‘It’s you!’ and then we turn the page to find out it’s Poison Ivy, and I’m supposed to say, ‘Wow! Poison Ivy! Excellent!’ and then she doesn’t do anything.

“In the issue with the Joker then, it was all flashbacks while he was beating on the Joker. Batman was like, ‘I’m hitting the Joker because I remember what he did to Batgirl!’ and then a flashback of the Joker shooting Batgirl. Then, Catwoman shows up and tells him he can’t kill the Joker, but Batman says he can, because he killed Robin – so now we have a flashback of that, and keeps hitting him, and knocks out Catwoman.

“Then, there’s a gun at the back of Batman’s head, and – this is the big reveal – it’s held by Jim Gordon! He tells Batman not to kill the Joker, but Batman says he will because of what he did to….Gordon’s wife! And another flashback. Then Gordon tells him he really doesn’t want to do this, and Batman agrees, and stops. So – nothing really has happened in the entire issue. But then – the big ending is that the real villain shows up and does the ‘Ha ha! I’m the real villain!’ from the shadows and flips a coin, so we know it’s Two Face. But again – you need to have read a bunch of Batman comics to know that this is Two-Face just from the coin toss. And I’m supposed to find this really satisfying, despite the fact that his name is Two-Face, but in the story, he isn’t Two-Face. He’s one face. He’s not even himself.”

While it may sound like Baker is bitter, he’s really not. “This book is selling, so I can’t really criticize it, but it seems to me that fans really want a book where nothing much happens, except that you seem to hit all the past high notes, and repeat the continuity with big reveals.”


Go back to Mars. Earth is too Dangerous.
#65 by Hieronymus
2003-07-08 02:13:59
I grew up in Vancouver.  While Toronto is sorely lacking in the great outdoors and the weather is terrible, it almost makes up for it with the large variety of cultural activities.  The worst place I've lived is Devon, Alberta.
#66 by BobJustBob
2003-07-08 02:15:11
I'm boycotting this thread.

Voices tell me I'm the shit.
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#67 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 02:16:55
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I'll be in Toronto the first week of August.  I'll be the guy at the Unitarian camp dressed up as Jesus wearing the t-shirt that says "Jesus may be cool, but Christians suck", if you want to drop by.
#68 by BabiG
2003-07-08 02:17:14
Some one mentioning Whistler and Blackcomb reminded me of this question, does anyone know the genesis of the Longhorn codename for the new Microsoft OS, why it's named that? Is there a Mt. Longhorn in the Washington area maybe? I thought it was just a coincidence that it shares a name with my university's mascot, but after seeing the logo in some of those alpha previews, it's way too similar (squint at my icon for an example of the school's logo, usually the colors are reversed). Is some bigwig at microsoft a UT alumni? The name seems so different from the other ones they've picked, I'm thinking there's got to be some other reason for it.

I don't wanna write this down, wanna tell you how I feel right now.
#69 by E-ph0nk
2003-07-08 02:19:40
http://www.electrophonk.be
i make music, organise party's, dj (party's & radio), and currently i'm writing a script for a small movie that i'm planning to direct myself.  I notice spending less time gaming lately - mostly because most things out there can't keep me busy for more then a week.

*sigh*
#70 by E-ph0nk
2003-07-08 02:20:55
http://www.electrophonk.be
oh, and i'm from Belgium - so i have an excuse...

*sigh*
#71 by Your Friend
2003-07-08 02:25:31
Supposedly, Longhorn is a bar near Whistler.

"Take Two needs to STFU imo." - G30rg3 Br0uzz4rd
#72 by Creole Ned
2003-07-08 02:35:03
I have lived in Vancouver for 17 years and have not climbed a single rock as a recreational outing.

I am 38 years old and currently work at a help desk providing technical support for things ranging from PC hardware to ISP's to wireless broadband at hotels. In high school I dreamed of being an actor and briefly pursued the goal. I was last on the stage in 1988 playing a character one review called a "human Bill the cat", which was actually pretty accurate. Much of my life has been unintentionally modeled after the king of "Ack, theft!"

I miss acting but not that starving part of it.

When not sitting in front of a computer at work or sitting in front of a computer at home, my hobbies are of the mundane variety: I read (and believe I am one of three people on the planet who looks for science fiction or fantasy novels that are not series but stories contained within a single volume), I write (plays, teleplays, a couple of unfinished novels, many short stories) and sometimes pretend I can play the guitar. In my secret life I am Robert Plant.

Also, I need new glasses and am the token gay most anywhere I go.

"I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
"i'm just pump gas." - Leslie Nassar
#73 by Darkseid-D
2003-07-08 02:35:55
rogerboal@hotmail.com
29, got married april this year (on my 29th birthday), moved to Chandler Az in march, been a professional for 8 years or so, been playing games for 20 some years.  Read far too much, dont watch much tv but watch movies avidly, played drums in several bands before I had to sell my kit pre move. Still waiting to get back to work, US gov is fucking around with my paperwork on several levels.

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#74 by Squeaky
2003-07-08 02:38:44
#71 Your Friend
Supposedly, Longhorn is a bar near Whistler.

So next question: Is some senoir manager from the Blackcomb/Whistler area?

And yes there is a bar called Longhorn in Whistler Village.

Great masturbating monkey gods, it's like watching the kettle rape the pot. -- Bailey
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#75 by jjohnsen
2003-07-08 02:39:38
http://www.johnsenclan.com
YF
Odd fact: Your Friend is 5% owner of a jewelry company that makes hip, contemporary necklaces, earrings, bracelets and such.

At least plug the company so those of us looking for birthday presents for the wife have somewhere new to look.

I'm 28 (29 on September 11th), married 5 years with one 3-year-old daughter.  I live in Utah about 15 minutes north of Salt Lake.  Right now I work at at a billboard printing/advertising creating/pop building company.  My wife just graduated from college so sooner or later I'll get back to school and decide what I want to do when I grow up.  With my free time I read alot and watch movies whenever I can.  I also run a wedding/video company with a friend that eventually will give me the equipment and money to work on a documentary I'm interested in doing.  I also spend Sundays at church teaching the 4-year-olds about God and how to blow the best bubbles with bubblicious.  

I'm Mormon, so I also have four wifes and don't drink.

Dancing Space Potatoes?  You Bet!
#76 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 02:40:58
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
got married april this year (on my 29th birthday)


That's incredibly clever.  I bet you'll never forget your anniversary!
#77 by jjohnsen
2003-07-08 02:42:53
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Oh yeah, I ski too.  Never been on mountain outside of Utah though, bago's description of the hills up there make me want to give it a shot.

Dancing Space Potatoes?  You Bet!
#78 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 02:46:48
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
If you can afford it, Whistler/Blackcomb is the shizzle.  If you're into skiing at all, you should go at least once before you die.
#79 by Squeaky
2003-07-08 03:12:30
#78 Shadarr
If you can afford it, Whistler/Blackcomb is the shizzle.  If you're into skiing at all, you should go at least once before you die.

Correction: used to be the shizzle. Now it's over comercialized, over populated, and over priced.

Great masturbating monkey gods, it's like watching the kettle rape the pot. -- Bailey
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#80 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 03:15:49
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I would liken it to Disneyland.  Sure, it would be better without the crowds, but it hasn't actually gotten less fun.
#81 by bago
2003-07-08 03:16:41
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
Bah.. Squeaky's just complaining about long lift lines on saturdays. Blackcomb has a snowcross track, and a 6 mile long run down the backside of the glacier.

That and dropping a few hundred for a weekend long sin-and-snow fest is SO worth it. Mountainside facilities rock.

#82 by lwf
2003-07-08 03:16:46
I heard Mt. Washington was about a thousand hundred billion times better than W/B last year, never been there though.

...so I'm balls deep in this guy's ass, and he turns around and asks for a kiss, what a FAG!
#83 by Squeaky
2003-07-08 04:01:26
#81 bago
Bah.. Squeaky's just complaining about long lift lines on saturdays.

Not just Saturdays...


More people = more obstacles & crappier snow

Great masturbating monkey gods, it's like watching the kettle rape the pot. -- Bailey
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#84 by Shadarr
2003-07-08 04:08:39
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I thought Washington was pretty lame, but I haven't been there in over a decade.
#85 by Squeaky
2003-07-08 04:43:49
Sun Peaks is where it's at. With the exception of it being all the way out in Kelowna, it's almost perfect.

Great masturbating monkey gods, it's like watching the kettle rape the pot. -- Bailey
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#86 by bago
2003-07-08 04:57:28
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
I went up there once on a microsoft ski trip, but I was trashed by the time the bus got to the border, so I have no frickin clue where it's at.

#87 by bago
2003-07-08 04:57:48
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
and Baker rocks.

#88 by Ergo
2003-07-08 05:20:28
Though I don't ski, I visited Mont Blanc in the French Alps Many years ago. It was amazing--the coolest (no pun intended) ski resort I've ever seen.

#89 by Dev
2003-07-08 05:27:17
admin@techillimit.net
We're normal after all.. ?

holy shit..

"If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." -- Lewis Carroll
#90 by Russ
2003-07-08 05:39:36
Lot of skiers here. Skiing is one of the many fun and interesting things I did before I became a parent. Parenting is about the only fun and interesting thing I do anymore. I always heard that Utah snow was the best, but I never made it there. Last place I went skiing was Angel Fire, New Mexico. Spent almost the whole day on the bunny hill with the wife and kid since they had never skied before. This was probably about 1996. So sad.......

There's two kinds of people in the world. People with guns and people who dig.
#91 by Phayyde
2003-07-08 05:50:32
I have two priceless giggling daughters, a goddess of a wife and a job that I love, most of the time.  I'm 36 and I started my company in 2000. (healthcare, pda, wireless, internet, service)  

My company has growth issues due to lack of capitol and an insufficient marketing strategy.  This causes us to take a few contracts each year.  I need to get better about trusting and giving away the company.  I'm just so guarded that I might strangle it before it ever gets the chance to really hit 8 cylinders.  

I live a mile from my office and bike-commute through state owned woods when it's not raining.  I saw a deer and a heron this morning on the way in.  I should probably have taken my car and worn a suit and scheduled a mtg with the money folks.  

I feel so lucky to have my best friend, lover and VP be the same person.  And to have my hobby, passion and profession be the same thing.  Wish I had time to get into video games like I did back in 1996-1998.  But then I kinda don't.

70 hour weeks are frequent.  I'm gaunt, diabetic.  My wife is a hero.   We aren't rich by any stretch.  But we are extremely fortunate.  And planetcrap is my water cooler.

Beat to fit, paint to match.
#92 by Your Friend
2003-07-08 05:56:44

I have two priceless giggling daughters


Keep an eye out for Hulka, and Deth.

"Take Two needs to STFU imo." - G30rg3 Br0uzz4rd
#93 by Ergo
2003-07-08 05:58:04
Phayyde, your office situation sounds a lot like mine. The company campus itself is a nature preserve with a stream and two large ponds running through it. Herons, geese, ducks, beavers and deer are the norm during the course of a day. It's a nice place to work.

#94 by lwf
2003-07-08 06:10:54
I saw a beaver once.

...so I'm balls deep in this guy's ass, and he turns around and asks for a kiss, what a FAG!
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